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Helvella elastica vs. latispora
Enrique Rubio, 25-08-2009 14:15
Enrique RubioDear friends
I'd like to know your opinion about this large Helvella species growing on Corylus avellana and Fagus sylvatica forest.
The ascomata are up to 13 cm high and 3.5 cm broad. Stipe and outside of pileus are smooth or only very slightly pubescent.
The spore mesurements are from the spore print of the ascomata.
Many thanks again for your kindly help.
Enrique
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Enrique Rubio, 25-08-2009 14:15
Enrique Rubio
Re:Helvella elastica vs. latispora
Spores
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Enrique Rubio, 25-08-2009 14:16
Enrique Rubio
Re:Helvella elastica vs. latispora
Micro. Ectal excipulum is made from a palissade of claviform hyphae
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Alain BRISSARD, 25-08-2009 15:16
Re:Helvella elastica vs. latispora
La bibliographie indique toutefois une taille plus petite pour les spores (18-20,5 x11-12,5 µm).Mais ce n'est qu'une remarque car je ne suis pas à même d'en juger, à moins que la dite variété latispora possède d'aussi grosses spores.
Amitiés
Alain
Nicolas VAN VOOREN, 25-08-2009 18:23
Nicolas VAN VOOREN
Re:Helvella elastica vs. latispora
This shape represents (for me) typically Helvella elastica. H. latispora is often selliform and has a more brownish colour ("café au lait" in French). But I didn't find this species with such a spore size (max. 22 µm). Maybe a form macrospora !
Very interesting.
Enrique Rubio, 25-08-2009 18:47
Enrique Rubio
Re:Helvella elastica vs. latispora
Many thanks Alain and Nicolas.
Enrique
Mario Filippa, 26-08-2009 10:05
Re:Helvella elastica vs. latispora
As Nicolas says, the shape is typical for Helvella elastica. If you have the possibility to return in the locality, you will see that the young ascomata have a deflexed apothecium from the beginning. In H. latispora (at least, sensu Häffner) the young specimens are somewhat cupulate.
Surely the spores are larger than normally seen. I remember only une collection, consisting in a single ascoma, from southern Italy (Calabria) in a similar habitat, with so large spores; I considered that the volume of the spores in that collection was almost double than normal. In your specimens, the same as in mine, the width of the spores is very large, but the spore's shape does not fit with Boudier's drawings for Helvella latispora.
If you will make more abundant collections, it will be very interesting an accurate study to search for some other differences from the typical H. elastica.
Enrique Rubio, 26-08-2009 21:26
Enrique Rubio
Re:Helvella elastica vs. latispora
Many thanks Mario.
Enrique
Luc Bailly, 29-08-2009 11:39
Luc Bailly
Re:Helvella elastica vs. latispora
Just in case: How many spores in an ascus, in your specimens?
Enrique Rubio, 29-08-2009 19:05
Enrique Rubio
Re:Helvella elastica vs. latispora
The asci are 8-spored, Luc
Enrique
Mario Filippa, 29-08-2009 22:05
Re:Helvella elastica vs. latispora
8 spores in mine also.