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Typhula sp.
Chávez Domingo, 29-10-2012 20:43
Chávez DomingoHi all!
It's the first time I have spoken in the forum, and here I bring these specimens asking for your help.
Specimens found in leaves of Castanea sativa.
A greeting and thank you very much!

Domingo Chávez

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Enrique Rubio, 29-10-2012 20:58
Enrique Rubio
Re : Typhula sp.
Probablemente y a falta de imágenes microscópicas quizá se trate de Typhula setipes, Domingo.
Pero como bien sabes este hongo es un basidiomycete y en este foro tratamos sólo de ascomycetes.
Saludos
Malcolm Greaves, 29-10-2012 21:21
Malcolm  Greaves
Re : Typhula sp.
Domingo
Before leaving this site with your "Non asco".  Although Domingo is right in that you need microscopic detail to take it further as your Typhula has a visible sclerota it is not setipes but I think it might be T sclerotioides.
Mal
Chávez Domingo, 29-10-2012 22:00
Chávez Domingo
Re : Typhula sp.
Perdón por el error, y muchas gracias por toda la información y no me olvidaré en otra ocasión de la micro.
Un saludo a los dos!

Sorry for the error, and thank you very much for all the information and I will not forget some other time of the micro.
Thank you very much!

Domingo Chávez
Enrique Rubio, 30-10-2012 17:06
Enrique Rubio
Re : Typhula sp.
Dear Malcolm

Typhula setipes is a typical folicolous species of Typhula that grows on a sclerotium (one basidioma for each sclerotium). Typhula sclerotiorum grows on a sclerotium too but it prefers herbaceous stems.
I'm sorry but I think this fungus could be Typhula setipes 


Enrique
Klaus Siepe, 01-11-2012 22:52
Re : Typhula sp.
Dear Enrique,

I think you're right. T. sclerotioides, mostly found on Petasites, is never folicolous and has a longer stipe. This could be T. setipes which sometimes can be found with a sclerotium, too. But the vermiform carpophores with those very short stipes look much more like T. corallina, a very polymorphous Typhula. But without knowing anything about the microscopical details ...


Kind regards,


Klaus

Malcolm Greaves, 03-11-2012 00:14
Malcolm  Greaves
Re : Typhula sp.
Apologies Enrique. I was working from the Nordic Macromyces Key which says T setipes has no sclerota. I obviously need a new key.

Malcolm
Marja Pennanen, 05-11-2012 09:54
Re : Typhula sp.
Hi,

T. setipes grows on sclerotium, too to my experience. It is not rare even up here north on for instance Betula leaves.

With club fungi I often use also this key available in the internet: http://www.svims.ca/council/Clubs.htm?

Marja
Klaus Siepe, 05-11-2012 22:38
Re : Typhula sp.
Hi Marja,

nice key, but (of course) with some only from the American continent known species and containing a lot of gaps. What about such species as T. micans, T. anceps, T. (sub)hyalina, T. piceicola, T. quisquiliaris, T. corallina, T. culmigena, T. uncialis, T. lutescens, T. fruticum, T. euphorbiae, T. pachypus, T. todei (= T. athyrii), T. trifolii, T. variabilis, T. subvariabilis, T. spathulata, T. olivascens, T. graminum. T. caricina, T. capitata ?


So I think it's better to prefer Berthier's keys in his monograph or that one in Jülich (1984).


Klaus

Marja Pennanen, 06-11-2012 12:31
Re : Typhula sp.
Hi,

sometimes it is good to get a second description of a species and anything that can be taken seriously may help.

I sometimes wonder how the views to the same species vary from one source to another and that is true especially with ascomycetes. Even the colours of the fresh fungus on your hand and the description of dried material in the source can be very different not to mention microscophy.

I'm just an amateur with very limited collections of books and scientific studies. So I look desperately on internet to find keys and descriptions of species. I even lack the NM3. Maybe I'll loan it and scan to my computer.

Anyway you may be right. It may be better if I don't try to help folks here by offering links to keys I have found because I can't know weather they are proper.

Marja

Malcolm Greaves, 06-11-2012 12:42
Malcolm  Greaves
Re : Typhula sp.
When you only have Fungi of Switzerland and Nordic Macromyces? and both say no sclerota it does make life difficult. Alhtough I have found this species on a few occasions it has never had a sclerota or more likely when it has had I have used the above to wrongly identify it.
I will try and get a copy of Berthier's keys? but thanks Marja for your link, even though it has species missing ;)

Mal

Miguel Ángel Ribes, 07-11-2012 09:24
Miguel Ãngel Ribes
Re : Typhula sp.
Hi Marja

I am trying to send you a private mail, but it retun me an error.

Best regards.
hannie wijers, 07-11-2012 14:40
Re : Typhula sp.
Hello Mal,

with much interest I read your comment. I struggle with the same problem as  Domingo. Ik have a couple of Typhula's too on leaves and stems of leaves, also with a sclerotium. Ik read the key Marja has linked to. But I undertstand that you have another Key of the Typhula? I wonder if you can send me the link to the site or belongs this in you own material. I is hard to find a good key of this sort.


Hannie

Marja Pennanen, 07-11-2012 22:07
Re : Typhula sp.
Hi Hannie,

I have found some descriptions from internet.
For istance this contains some:
http://projet.aulnaies.free.fr/Florules/HYMENOMYCETES.pdf

Should study more this interesting language ;)

Marja
hannie wijers, 08-11-2012 17:04
Re : Typhula sp.
Hello Marja, thanks for the link. A lot to study. The language (france) is a little difficult for me. I'm Dutch. English is a liittle easier. But there are some programs to translate.


Hannie