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Karstenia clematidis (?) sur Clematis vitalba 
    
                    Bernard CLESSE,
                30-01-2018 18:04
    
    
Bonsoir à toutes et tous,Trouvé récemment ce que je pense être des Karstenia clematidis sur grosse liane morte de clématite des haies (Clematis vitalba).
Qu'en pensez-vous ?
Bernard
                                    Hans-Otto Baral,
                                31-01-2018 08:05            
            
                Re : Karstenia clematidis (?) sur Clematis vitalba 
                It looks like K. idaei, but I do not know K. clematidis - did you compare the two species?
                
                
                
                
                
                            
                                    Bernard CLESSE,
                                31-01-2018 08:24            
            
                Re : Karstenia clematidis (?) sur Clematis vitalba 
                Hi Zotto,
                
                
                
                
                
                            Thank you for your message ! In fact, I am looking for a key of the genus Karstenia including Karstenia clematidis because I simply saw on the web the existence of this species on Clematis.
Would you have this key?
Thank you very much in advance!
Bernard 
                                    Hans-Otto Baral,
                                31-01-2018 09:44            
            
                Re : Karstenia clematidis (?) sur Clematis vitalba 
                haha. No, I only have my key and it contains only what I know. Other keys I do not remember. It is not so simple to go after the substrate because K. idaei occurs on everything.
I read in Sherwood 1980 that the spores of clematidis are only 35-45 x 3-4, with 3-4 µm long cells.
                
                
                
                
                
                            I read in Sherwood 1980 that the spores of clematidis are only 35-45 x 3-4, with 3-4 µm long cells.
                                    Bernard CLESSE,
                                31-01-2018 11:28            
            
                Re : Karstenia clematidis (?) sur Clematis vitalba 
                OK Zotto, thank you for the information about K. clematidis !
I do not quite see the difference between K. macer and K. idaei. With the given information and pictures can we eliminate K. macer?
Bernard
                
                
                
                
                
                            I do not quite see the difference between K. macer and K. idaei. With the given information and pictures can we eliminate K. macer?
Bernard
                                    Hans-Otto Baral,
                                31-01-2018 12:07            
            
                Re : Karstenia clematidis (?) sur Clematis vitalba 
                I know macer with larger LBs and darker apothecia, but I know the species is variable, and maybe not all in my folder belongs to it. K. macer is also redescribed by Sherwood in the same paper. Spore 7-septate, this appears to distinguish it! Individual cells double length tha n width.
                
                
                
                
                
                            
                                    Bernard CLESSE,
                                31-01-2018 12:10            
            
                Re : Karstenia clematidis (?) sur Clematis vitalba 
                OK Zotto, thank you, it's perfect !
Bernard
                
                
                
                
                
                            Bernard
                                    Bernard CLESSE,
                                31-01-2018 15:57            
            
            
        
                                    Hans-Otto Baral,
                                31-01-2018 17:15            
            
                Re : Karstenia clematidis (?) sur Clematis vitalba 
                yes, this is clear.
                
                
                
                
                
                            
                                    Bernard CLESSE,
                                31-01-2018 17:21            
            
                Re : Karstenia clematidis (?) sur Clematis vitalba 
                OK Zotto, thank you for your opinion !
Bernard
                
                
                
                
                
                            Bernard
                


