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En rama de Oenothera
Castillo Joseba, 23-02-2017 12:35
Castillo JosebaEn rama de Oenothera,  pequeños ascomas de 500 a 900 µ,  de color marron oscuro


He hecho algo de micro y hay elementos que no se si son las ascas  y parafisis o no


Alguna sugerencia?


Josebas
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Lothar Krieglsteiner, 23-02-2017 18:25
Lothar Krieglsteiner
Re : En rama de Oenothera

Hi Joseba,


you write of ascomas (the correct plural of ascoma would be ascomata) but I do not see any ascus in your fotos. Are there?


Best regards from Lothar

Castillo Joseba, 23-02-2017 20:56
Castillo Joseba
Re : En rama de Oenothera
Hola Lothar...  lo que hay en la foto 4ª  tenbgo dudas que sean Ascas y Parafisis... lo que se ve en las fotos es lo mejor que veo en el micro... y tengo dudas

Gracias por las correcciones de nomenclatura


Saludos
Joseba
Angel Pintos, 23-02-2017 21:14
Angel Pintos
Re : En rama de Oenothera
Hola Joseba, el cuerpo fructifero es un picnidio y las celulas conidiogenas fialidicas. (fialides)

Un saludo

Angel
Martin Bemmann, 23-02-2017 21:34
Martin Bemmann
Re : En rama de Oenothera
surely imperfect. Fusiform to allantoid conidia with bipolar oildrops, maybe a Phoma?

Regards
Martin

edit: sporeshape corrected
Castillo Joseba, 24-02-2017 12:26
Castillo Joseba
Re : En rama de Oenothera
Gracias por los comentarios


Joseba
Enrique Rubio, 22-03-2017 17:20
Enrique Rubio
Re : En rama de Oenothera
Hi Joseba and Lothar
In spanish, the correct plural for the word ASCOMA is ASCOMAS but not ASCOMATA, that is the correct plural for ascoma in english language.
Regards
Lothar Krieglsteiner, 22-03-2017 18:53
Lothar Krieglsteiner
Re : En rama de Oenothera

Hi Enrique,


thank you for your objection.


I do not know too much about Spanish language (although I am able to speak very little of your language - "hablo un poco Espanol").


But - I think the term ascoma and its plural ascomata is not primarily an English word but a scientific term. The plural in Germany is also built with an "s" in many cases and people could say "ascomas" also in German. But - for my feeling "ascomas" would be wrong in German. We - for example - would not say "Ascusse" what would be the natural German form- but Asci, as it is correct in Latin, English, and Spanish (?).


But - anyway - it is not a very important matter. So - in future - I will accept if somebody writes "ascomas" in what language ever :-)


Best regards, Lothar

Enrique Rubio, 22-03-2017 19:08
Enrique Rubio
Re : En rama de Oenothera
Hi Lothar
In spanish we can say ASCO or ASCA (plural, ASCOS or ASCAS), both words are permitted, but not ASCI. ASCOMATA, ESTROMATA and ASCI. They are latin derivate words not of common use in Spain.
Elnen lleben Gruß!
Lothar Krieglsteiner, 22-03-2017 21:24
Lothar Krieglsteiner
Re : En rama de Oenothera
muchas gracias, Enrique - y saludos, tambien :-)