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should be Trochila tini - from Germany
Lothar Krieglsteiner, 09-01-2016 22:40
Lothar Krieglsteiner

Today we found this discomycete in Stuttgart, on a wall besides a garden. The apothecia were greyish and greenish-yellow when drying.


The asci are without croziers and euamyloid (Calycina-type). The spores are about 9-10/3,5-4 µm, with a lot of oil in large drops when alive. The paraphyses and partly the margo cells contain large yellow vacuolar bodies.


I think there can be no doubt about the determination even if I do not have literature (?) - and in the internet I do not find much.


Can the determination be confirmed by somebody?


Regards from Lothar

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Hans-Otto Baral, 09-01-2016 22:51
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : should be Trochila tini - from Germany
Hi Lothar

no doubt, at least if you have it on Viburnum tinus.

But that species has croziers like all Trochilas that I know, and I think I see one on the upper right of your third micro, unsharp but a clear "V".

Strange that TRochila is related to Encoelia furfuracea and Velutarina, at least it has the same greenish-yellowish VBs.
Lothar Krieglsteiner, 09-01-2016 23:00
Lothar Krieglsteiner
Re : should be Trochila tini - from Germany

Hi Zotto,


thank you very much - yes, it was on Viburnum tinus (I forgot). I will have a look at the croziers later, I have overlooked them possibly.


Best regards from Lothar


P.S. Do you know of finds in Germany? - and where is T. tini described accurately?


P.S. The yellow-green VBs are very characteristic - yes, I know them from Velutarina, too. I must admit: I never had Encoelia furfuracea under the microscope :-)

Hans-Otto Baral, 10-01-2016 10:16
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : should be Trochila tini - from Germany
An accurate description? What do you expect? ;-)

I think I never saw the original description by Grelet & Crozals 1928. I know the fungus from a sample by Ted Batten from Worcestershire, and I have Enrique's pretty docu from Navarra.

Der Link zu Trochila ist hier:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5SeyOEkxxZhcnFnMjYzVmFHSFk
Lothar Krieglsteiner, 10-01-2016 10:25
Lothar Krieglsteiner
Re : should be Trochila tini - from Germany

Thank you very much, Zotto!


Thus: possibly first find in Germany?


Regards from Lothar

Hans-Otto Baral, 10-01-2016 15:38
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : should be Trochila tini - from Germany
It was a lapsus to say Grelet & Crozals 1928. That is Trochila tami which will more difficult to be found I suspect.