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Sur Pinus
Elisabeth Stöckli, 10-12-2015 23:52
Bonsoir,

Trouvé sur cône de Pinus, apothécies 0.3-0.6mm de diamètre, noir, stipités.


Asques 137-163x12.5-17µm, octosporés, J+, spores 53-80x2.5-4µm, multiseptés, paraphyses filiformes.


Merci d'avance.


Elisabeth

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Lothar Krieglsteiner, 11-12-2015 07:14
Lothar Krieglsteiner
Re : Sur Pinus

Hi Elisabeth


your find seems to have a lot in common with Gorgoniceps aridula - but the fully black apothecia don`t fit. But maybe it is a hint for further inquiry. Were the apothecia completely dried out?


Regards from Lothar

Hans-Otto Baral, 11-12-2015 09:47
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : Sur Pinus
Hi Lothar & Elisabeth

difficult to say. The spores are too broad to fall to G. aridula/viridula. Are the paraphyses apically branched? That seems to occur rather rarely in Gorgoniceps.

Good would be to take a look at the excipulum, in section or in surface view.

Zotto
Elisabeth Stöckli, 11-12-2015 23:15
Re : Sur Pinus
Hello Lothar und Zotto

Nein, der vorliegende Fund kann nicht G. aridula/viridula sein. Die Konsistenz ist anders, was im Schnitt zu sehen ist. 

Elisabeth 


Ph. 1-4 Wasser
Ph. 5 IKI
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Hans-Otto Baral, 12-12-2015 09:51
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Re : Sur Pinus
Ja, das ist total anders, Gorgoniceps haben ein sehr dünnes braunes Excipulum aus langgestreckten Zellen.

Habe ansonsten keine Idee.  Meine Datenbankabfrage ergibt folgendes. Hierbei kann man Therrya pini und Gorgoniceps schon mal ausschliessen. Lophodermella sollte inamyloid sein (?), Arachnopeziza ist es sicher auch keine. Naemacyclus und Cyclaneusma scheiden auch aus. Was bleibt???

Spore size taken into account:
50.0 - 80.0 / 2.5 - 4.0

FUNGI THAT FIT TO THESE PARAMETERS:


RECNO PUBLIC. TAXCOD FUNGUS ? HOST ORGAN SPORE SIZE (µ)
Group taken into account: Pinus L.
Pinus sp.
1294 Baral1985 117 Gorgoniceps aridula wood or bark 70.0-90.0/2.0-3.5
4159 Denni1978 127 Gorgoniceps aridula wood or bark 50.0-88.0/2.0-2.5
10558 Gremm1957 39 Gorgoniceps aridula stump cones 60.0-80.0/2.0-3.0
21213 Masse1894 101 Peziza rhaphidospora stump 65.0-75.0/3.0-3.0
3309 Velen1947 135 Arachnopeziza pinacea pericarps 50.0-70.0/0.0-0.0
11205 Grove1967 177 Pragmopora pithya 45.0-75.0/3.0-4.0
Pinus nigra var. corsicana
10684 Gremm1960 275 Gorgoniceps aridula stump 55.0-85.0/2.0-3.5
Pinus monticola Dougl. ex Lamb.
11204 Grove1967 173 Pragmopora pini 30.0-57.0/3.0-4.0
Pinus mugo Turra var. mugo
10471 Gremm1955 434 Durandiella helvetica branch 65.0-88.0/3.0-4.0
10476 Gremm1960 548 Therrya pini branch or twig? 65.0-88.0/3.0-4.0
Pinus murrayana
10478 Gremm1960 548 Therrya pini branch or twig? 65.0-88.0/3.0-4.0
Pinus pinaster Ait.
16863 Galán1991 286 Naemacyclus fimbriatus cones 53.0-73.0/2.0-2.5
17244 Ellis1985 183 Gorgoniceps aridula wood or bark 60.0-90.0/2.0-3.0
17207 Ellis1985 171 Lophodermella conjuncta needles 75.0-100.0/3.0-3.5
17208 Ellis1985 171 Lophodermella conjuncta needles 75.0-100.0/3.0-3.5
Pinus radiata
17219 Ellis1985 172 Naemacyclus minor needles 75.0-85.0/2.5-3.0
Pinus strobus L.
10477 Gremm1960 548 Therrya pini branch or twig? 65.0-88.0/3.0-4.0
Pinus sylvestris L.
70 Baral1985 5 Naemacyclus niveus needles 80.0-100.0/3.0-3.0
21977 Hanso1978 4 Lachnellula pseudofarinacea branch 42.4-80.2/1.7-3.8
8293 Decle1987 9 Gorgoniceps aridula wood or bark 61.0-85.0/2.5-3.0
10685 Gremm1960 275 Gorgoniceps aridula branch cones 55.0-85.0/2.0-3.5
21168 Gremm1955 14 Gorgoniceps aridula cones 53.2-87.4/1.9-3.5
6253 Denni1978 230 Hypodermella conjuncta needles 75.0-90.0/3.0-3.5
4337 Grele1926 206 Stictis elegans branch 30.0-70.0/2.5-4.0
6281 Denni1978 234 Cyclaneusma minus needles 75.0-85.0/2.5-3.0
15565 Breit1981 240 Cyclaneusma minus needles 75.0-85.0/2.0-3.0
6278 Denni1978 234 Therrya pini branch or twig? 55.0-80.0/3.0-4.0
10475 Gremm1960 548 Therrya pini branch or twig? 65.0-88.0/3.0-4.0
17266 Ellis1985 184 Therrya pini branch 60.0-100.0/3.0-4.0
21974 Hanso1978 3 Therrya pini branch 52.0-84.0/3.2-4.8
6287 Denni1978 235 Naemacyclus fimbriatus needles 50.0-60.0/1.5-2.5
10694 Gremm1960 279 Naemacyclus fimbriatus cones 77.0-88.0/3.0-3.0
24804 0 7905 Discocainia treleasei Holz (alt 233) Rinde (alt 235) 30.0-55.0/1.5-2.5
17218 Ellis1985 172 Naemacyclus minor needles 75.0-85.0/2.5-3.0
17231 Ellis1985 178 Lasiostictis fimbriata cones 50.0-60.0/1.5-2.5

Elisabeth Stöckli, 13-12-2015 11:24
Re : Sur Pinus
Die Fruchtkörper sind feucht weich, trocken hart. Substrat Zapfen von Pinus sylvestris. Da denke ich an Durandiella, kenne allerdings nur D. gallica, welche septierte Sporen hat, Reacktion Jod negativ.

Pragmopora pithya/pini sind mir unbekannt. Alle andern auf der Liste kommen nicht in Frage.

Elisabeth
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Hans-Otto Baral, 13-12-2015 15:03
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Re : Sur Pinus
Ist ja hübsch! Auch Pragmopora kenne ich nur inamyloid. Das letzte Makro erinnert mich an Tryblidiopsis, auch die ist IKI-.