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Hello I want to ask you if you have found this ye
Gibberella
Salvador Tello,
15-05-2013 18:50
Este homgo lo encontré en la Sierras de Cazorla, Jaén, se que es Gibberella, pero no se cual puede ser. ¿Alguien tiene unas claves para Gibberella, o sabe cual podría ser?
Peritecios generalmente gregarios, que irrumpen de entre la corteza de Ulex parviflorus. Los peritecios son de color marrón con brillos metálicos, que en el microscopio son azul oscuro, de (268,92) 286,91 - 350,39 (368,74) µm. Me = 318,90 µm de anchura.
Ascas biseriadas, no amiloides, de (89,57) 91,35 - 113,78 (116,78) x (10,62) 12,77 - 14,72 (14,83) µm.
Me = 102,30 x 13,50 µm.
Esporas lisas, hialinas, algo curvadas, con 3 septos trasversales de; (20,26) 21,29 - 25,36 (27,38) x (6,12) 6,49 - 7,56 (8,00) µm
Q = (2,74) 2,85 - 3,65 (3,82) ; N = 33
Me = 23,23 x 7,09 µm ; Qe = 3,29
Gracias.
Saludos.
Salvador.
Björn Wergen,
15-05-2013 19:10
Salvador Tello,
15-05-2013 19:44
Re : Gibberella
Gracias por su ayuda Björn, si que se ve muy similar a la de sus fotos.
¿Tiene claves para Gibberella? si es así, le pido que me las envíe, por favor.
Yo he mirado en las claves que aparecen en MEDARDI G. (2006) Atlante fotografico degli Ascomiceti d'Italia. A.M.B. Fondazione Centro Sttudi Micologici. y me dice que G. pulicaris tiene esporas de 18-21 x 5-7 µm.
Gracias.
Saludos.
Salvador.
¿Tiene claves para Gibberella? si es así, le pido que me las envíe, por favor.
Yo he mirado en las claves que aparecen en MEDARDI G. (2006) Atlante fotografico degli Ascomiceti d'Italia. A.M.B. Fondazione Centro Sttudi Micologici. y me dice que G. pulicaris tiene esporas de 18-21 x 5-7 µm.
Gracias.
Saludos.
Salvador.
Björn Wergen,
15-05-2013 22:13
Re : Gibberella
Hi Salvador,
it is not easy to work with this genus, but compare also with Enrique Rubio's data here on ascofrance. In my opinion, after several collections of G. cyanogena and G. pulicaris, there is a difference in spore measurements: spores of G. cyanogena are smaller, often not more than 6µm broad. Length is rather variable between 21 and 31µm.
I do not really know but I think that G. pulicaris fruitbodies are always brown, like cacao, and G. cyanogena very dark brown to blackish brown.
I had a key for this genus, but unfortunately I am still working on organizing my data into an Excel list. For now I cannot find the doc (sorry for that).
regards,
björn
it is not easy to work with this genus, but compare also with Enrique Rubio's data here on ascofrance. In my opinion, after several collections of G. cyanogena and G. pulicaris, there is a difference in spore measurements: spores of G. cyanogena are smaller, often not more than 6µm broad. Length is rather variable between 21 and 31µm.
I do not really know but I think that G. pulicaris fruitbodies are always brown, like cacao, and G. cyanogena very dark brown to blackish brown.
I had a key for this genus, but unfortunately I am still working on organizing my data into an Excel list. For now I cannot find the doc (sorry for that).
regards,
björn
Salvador Tello,
15-05-2013 23:25
Re : Gibberella
Gracias por todo los datos björn, yo entiendo poco y siempre me surgen dudas.
No te preocupes por las claves, ya me has ayudado bastante.
Saludos.
Salvador.
No te preocupes por las claves, ya me has ayudado bastante.
Saludos.
Salvador.
Christian Lechat,
16-05-2013 04:52
Re : Gibberella
Hi to all,
the genus Giberella is impossible without to know the anamorphs as you can see in the attached key.
Best regards,
Christian
the genus Giberella is impossible without to know the anamorphs as you can see in the attached key.
Best regards,
Christian
GIBBERELA-Samuels-G.-J.-H.-I.-Nirenberg-and-K.-A.-Seifert-0001.doc
Salvador Tello,
16-05-2013 08:09
Re : Gibberella
Muchas gracias Christian.
Había leído algo sobre esto, pero tampoco estaba seguro. La dejaré como Gibberella aff. pulicaris.
Saludos.
Salvador.
Había leído algo sobre esto, pero tampoco estaba seguro. La dejaré como Gibberella aff. pulicaris.
Saludos.
Salvador.
Chris Yeates,
17-05-2013 13:38
Re : Gibberella
I have re-formatted the Gibberella key which Christian has kindly posted; colleagues may perhaps find it a little easier to use, in which case I post it here
Cordialement
Chris
Cordialement
Chris