WOW
great finding!
to me it resembles like Phaeoscypha cladii [Hyaloscypha cladii Nag Raj & Kendr. , Uncinia scintillans Graddon]
look in Fungi non Delineati 31 Raitviir

Cheers,
Stip

Hi Michel

incredible, I fear you need to describe this fungus in detail, who knows....

Have you a photo of the apical ring in IKI? And what are these black hairs around? Anamorph??

Zotto

Hi Stip and Zotto. Thanks a lot for your diligent and sedulous answers. 

How come had I not in mind the smashing pictures by Jens Petersen in the work Stip cited !

In every collection cited, the chalara (longblack hairs) seems somehow associated with  the Phaeoscypha . In my collection, the apos are, each time, on parts of the Juncus stems  infected with the anamorph.  
I found septate spores, but not all, including inside the ascus as one can observe on the image with CRB (not quite obvious ) . Here is also a picture showing the vbs in the multiseptate paraphyses and another one for IKI ascus apex reaction. 

Amitiés
Michel 

Great Stip!!

I also believe the spores are partly septate, inside the living ascus, the arrangement of the drops  and a very slight constriction tell for this. If you had applied Melzers to this ascus it wuld have become very obvious.

Michel, do you also have a photo of the paraphyses unstained? There are VBs which are unknown, for instance, in Unguiculariopsis.

Graddon did not believe that the Chalara belongs to the fungus. Now why has cladii priority over scintillans? cladii was described in 1975, but scintillans in 1974. With the new rules, however, the anamorph epitheton cladii MB Ellis 1961 will be the oldest, though it cannot be combined in Phaeoscypha!


Zotto

Yes Zotto, here is a pic of paraphyses in  Le Puy de Venus tap water, but as a total addict of In Vivo Veritas, I forgot to try Melzer :-)

Michel  nouvelle photo

Hi Michel,
this is great, your detailed photos provides us a better description of this species and its ecological range, did you make pictures of the chalara?, although not direct visible they seems to be  present? constante.
Did you have seen old spores, according to Spooner they should become brownish.

cheers,
Stip

Hi Stip, 

I could not observe brownn spores . Here are pics of the Chalara (120 -350 x 5-6 µm) shot on the exsic.

Would someone bring the paper by Naj Rag & Kendrick on Hyaloscypha cladii ? 

Merci encore , camarade, et amitiés

Michel

Michel

these are only hairs, not phialides. Maybe the anamorph is not present, i.e., only with its mycelium and hairs. But I suspect it is between the hairs and much shorter and hyaline.

In the attach some pages of Nag Raj. I fear I do not have the plate of Chaetochalara cladii.

Zotto

Hi, in the attachment is a description of Chalara cladii showing the short phialides beneath long hairs.
And the plate of Nag Raj and Kendrick too (right side).

Cheers

Martin

Bonsoir Tous

not brilliant I'm afraid and done in a hurry from PDFs - not the originals, but these may prove somewhat helpful:

amitiés
Chris

PS I wonder if Catania and Romero have a different species? The substratum/habitat is very different, and they describe the conidia with "pared lisa" i.e. smooth walls; in contrast Nag Raj & Kendrick stress the verrucose ends of the conidia as an important taxonomic character, and Ellis, in his original description of Chalara cladii says "utrinque truncata verruculosaque" . . . . 

Good finding, Michel!
Congratulations


I hope you could capable of doing the same thing at Somiedo!

Hi Chris,

you are raising justified doubts on the identity of the specimen shown by Catania and Romero. (And sorry for uploading the wrong plate that Zotto had already shown). The length of the conidiophores in the description of Nag Raj and Kendrick exceed those from Argentinia by far as well (they give up to 610 µm).
But I wonder why  they do not mention the setae they show in the plate of the teleomorph (without describing them). Do they belong to the teleomorph state?

Regards

Martin

I also wonder why the setae around the apothecia and the long conidiophores are figured separately, although I am quite sure they occur intermingled. The generic name Chaetochalara refers to the presence of such sterile setae among the phialides. But the protologue is also devoid of setae, like the drawing in Nag Raj. I do  not know whether the anamorph description in Nag Raj mentions the setae (it should because the combination into Chaetochalara is based on this), but the setae are mentioned in the legend to the apothecia.

Michel's macrophoto does not actually look like there being anything else than setae. And I was wrong to assume that the conidiophores are hyaline and much shorter in this anamorph.


Zotto

Zotto, I could not find any conidiophore on my exsic, even with rehydratation, which might also explain why there is no conidia either in my micro pics , unfortunately. 

Thanks to everyone for  the documents provided and interest showed for this collection. 

Amitiés à tous
Michel

Zotto our last messages were sent at the same time and it seems we can come to the same conclusion (or interrogation as to the absence of conidiophores)
Michel

Unfortunately the Chaetochalara cladii is not seen,
I Attach the Sutton drawing of it (source mycobank)
for the brown spores, put your collection in a dusty drawer and wait for 25 years ;-)

Cheers,
Stip

Bonsoir Michel

serais tu l'auteur de l'observation de Phaeoscypha cladii à la tourbière des dauges dans le 87... ??? lu dans le rapport de la RNN des dauges
En effet nous essayons de synthétiser les données myco d'auvergne limousin sur ce site
www.fauneflore-massifcentral.fr

je crois savoir que tu devais faire une publication ? l'as tu faite ? si oui quelle serait la référence...
autoriserais tu l'utilisation d'une de tes images pour illsutrer la fiche sur le site ?

merci pour tes réponses que tu peux me donner réponse en privé

amicalement Pascal Duboc