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Patellariaceae? Tryblidaria? Murangium?
Ethan Crenson, 28-09-2017 04:26
Collected recently in Southern Vermont (US), on a decorticated branch (possibly Quercus) on which also grew Berkleasmeum conglobatum and (I think) Hysterium hyalinum.  Dense black disks which became somewhat pulvinate when hydrated.  The largest approaching 1mm in diameter.

Asci with 8 spores, bitunicate, about 138-148 x 24-25µm.  IKI-

Spores muriform, at first hyaline, finally dark brown, 4-7 septate with longitudinal septa.  25-33 x 10-13µm.  It appears that the spores inside the asci are at the larger end of the scale 31-33µm long while the darker spores loose in the centrum are somewhat shorter  23-27µm. 

The outer layer appears to be a dark, agglutinated (?) layer appearing red in projected light.  It was very difficult to discern any paraphyses or other features. 

Because of the resemblance to Patellarioid ascos, I had thought it might be Tryblidaria, but perhaps that's not a very good fit.  Can anyone provide me with a shove in the right direction?  Thanks!
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Hans-Otto Baral, 28-09-2017 07:49
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : Patellariaceae? Tryblidaria? Murangium?
Hi Ethan
your sample is not in good shape but I think it is a Haematomyxa. I once studied a collection that I identified as Haematomyxa cf. vinosa. It is an American species, originally from New Jersey on Quercus, but I had it on Populus from France (near Montargis, leg. A. Pericouche).

This collection yielded a strong ionomidotic reaction: when adding KOH a deep olive-brown sap extruded and the exudate became blue-green-gray.
Zotto
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Ethan Crenson, 28-09-2017 17:34
Re : Patellariaceae? Tryblidaria? Murangium?
Zotto,
Thank you for your help!  I crushed two fruiting bodies and got an immediate olive green reaction when I added KOH.  In your notes you mention Tryblidaria/Haematomyxa ? vinosa (in Seaver).  I have looked at Seaver's volume on Inoperculates, but I only see "Tryblidium" but no vinosa.  Where I can find out more about Haematomyxa?
Regards,
Ethan
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Ethan Crenson, 28-09-2017 19:04
Re : Patellariaceae? Tryblidaria? Murangium?
Aha!  Disregard my comment about Seaver's Inoperculates.  I have found "Haematomyxa vinosa" on page 372.
Hans-Otto Baral, 28-09-2017 20:26
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : Patellariaceae? Tryblidaria? Murangium?
Here is the Cooke description. The spores are longer while the width in Cooke & Ellis seems a bit too high compared to the length (45-50 x 18).
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Jason Karakehian, 30-09-2017 00:41
Jason Karakehian
Re : Patellariaceae? Tryblidaria? Murangium?
Hi, I was just working on this recently from simillar collections from West Virginia and Kentucky. We thought about Haematomyxa but ultimately came to Tryblidaria fenestrata.
Hans-Otto Baral, 30-09-2017 08:40
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : Patellariaceae? Tryblidaria? Murangium?
Hi Jason
do your samples show the wine-red-brown pigment (in water) and olive-brown ionomidotic reaction? My studies on T. fenestrata and the close T. azarae show olive-black exudate (in water) that does not change or dissolve in KOH (as in Patellaria) as far as I remember. T. fenestrata seems to differ from T. azarae in hyaline spores with rounded ends vs. yellow-ochre spores (always inside the living asci) with pointed ends.

The colour of the particles among the paraphyses appear to be diagnostic between the two genera: refractive and hyaline in Tryblidaria, red-brown in Haematomyxa. The swollen paraphysis cells with constrictions at the septa might be a further difference between the genera. See my drawings in the Patellaria-Tryblidaria folder:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B5SeyOEkxxZhejBuVzBCX2tqQTg

Zotto

Jason Karakehian, 30-09-2017 16:09
Jason Karakehian
Re : Patellariaceae? Tryblidaria? Murangium?
Thank you! I will try to get to my notes and specimens, which are not here right now and get back here with some answers! Best  - Jason