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Mollisia on Rubus idaeus
Mathias Hass, 10-04-2025 10:09
Mathias HassHi,

Found in March on last years stick from Rubus idaeus, Denmark.


Apotecia: Do not seem to be erumpent, sessile, smooth grey disk, with anchoring hyphae, bright yellow colour extracted with KOH.
Asci: IKI+, I think with croziers, approx. 53 (40-55) x 5-5,5 my.
Ascospores: 1-celled, mostly clavate, 10,2 (8,3-12,4) x 2,1 (1,7-2,5) my, Q=4,9 , n=20. With some droplets.
Paraphyses: Cylindrical, 3 my wide, with large light diffracting LBs.
Excipulum: Mostly roundish dark cells, some dark hairlike cells seen.


Any help much appreciated.


Kind Regards
Mathias

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Lothar Krieglsteiner, 10-04-2025 10:11
Lothar Krieglsteiner
Re : Mollisia on Rubus idaeus
perhaps compare M. revincta.
Yours, Lothar
Mathias Hass, 10-04-2025 10:27
Mathias Hass
Re : Mollisia on Rubus idaeus
Thanks Lothar for your quick respons.

Can M. vincta be strongly KOH+ ? Using Gminder's key (or some version of it) I tend to end up in "M. cf. polygoni"...

Cheers

Mathias
Lothar Krieglsteiner, 10-04-2025 10:31
Lothar Krieglsteiner
Re : Mollisia on Rubus idaeus
M. revincta ist wohl bezüglich der KOH-Reaktion recht variabel, ist vermutlich auch noch eine Sammelart.
Hier kannst Du wertvolle Infos lesen:
https://asco-sonneberg.de/pages/gallery/mollisia-revincta-epilobium-koh-110910-01xs21751.php
Dort steht u.a. auch:

Auf die KOH-Reaktion kann man sich wahrscheinlich nicht gut verlassen. Zwar ist sie meist mittelstark und vergänglich, jedoch sind mir von Rubus auch stark gelbe und anhaltende Reaktionen bekannt

Dein Fund ist ja von Rubus.
Mathias Hass, 10-04-2025 13:05
Mathias Hass
Re : Mollisia on Rubus idaeus
Thaks a lot, M. revincta looks promising then. I'm wondering why according to IF the current name of Mollisia revincta is Pyrenopeziza revincta. I thought that the large LBs in the parafyses are diagnostic for Mollisia?

Cheers

Mathias
Lothar Krieglsteiner, 10-04-2025 13:12
Lothar Krieglsteiner
Re : Mollisia on Rubus idaeus
Ich weiß nicht, warum die Art in Pyrenopeziza geführt wird. Und ja: die Vakuolenkörper in den Paraphysen stehen für Mollisia.
Lothar Krieglsteiner, 10-04-2025 13:13
Lothar Krieglsteiner
Re : Mollisia on Rubus idaeus
ah - sorry that I wrote in German. I thought you would be German, too, but now I see you are Danish :-)
Yours, Lothar
Mathias Hass, 11-04-2025 07:33
Mathias Hass
Re : Mollisia on Rubus idaeus
Geht auch auf Deutsch :-) Eigentlich meine Muttersprache, brauche es aber wenig, und Deutsch schreiben fällt mir leider schwehr, verstehen ist kein Problem.

Grüsse Mathais
Mathias Hass, 12-04-2025 07:45
Mathias Hass
Re : Mollisia on Rubus idaeus
I see that Zotto has a folder called "clavata (=alcalireagens) Rubus + Reynutria KOH+, ap. smooth, 7.5-11,5 " which to me looks similar too. Could M. clavata, M. revincta on rubus, M. alcalireagens all be the same thing?
Andreas Gminder, 15-04-2025 22:15
Andreas Gminder
Re : Mollisia on Rubus idaeus
Hello,

Mollisia revincta is a complex of species with small spores on herbaceous stems. According to my own collections there are quite many genetically different species which I used to "determine" as revincta. There are collections with strong and with weak yellow reaction and even without. I did not study that complex ion detail, but I'm convined that Mollisia clavata is a different species characterized by the marginal cells. What concerns Mollisia alcalireagens, there is the problem that the i examined the holotype collection PRM899458 and found it to be completely KOH-negative (also NH3-negative). I don't know how to interprete this. On the other hand I have collections from Rubus which are strng yellow whereas collections from Filipendula (which I think to be the "true" revincta" are usually only weakly positive.

No great information all in all, I know. That group needs revision ....

all the best,
Andreas
Mathias Hass, 16-04-2025 08:52
Mathias Hass
Re : Mollisia on Rubus idaeus
Dear Andreas,

Thanks a lot, I will leave it there and hope that future studies will provide some clarification.

Kind Regards

Mathias