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Colour chart
Zuzana Sochorová (Egertová),
16-02-2020 17:34

I hope I can have a more general question. Could you please recommend a good colour chart suitable for describing colours of ascomycetes, but cheaper than Methuen Handbook of Colour? I found some good offers for Der Große K?ppers-Farbenatlas. Is there something better to be used in mycology?
Zuzana
Martin Bemmann,
16-02-2020 17:53

Re : Colour chart
Dear Zuzana,
in archaeology ( I am archaeologist) some people use colour charts (Munsell etc.) extensively, eg. to describe the surface colour of ceramics. I for me do not care much about such numbers as I consider them as subjective as freely choosen terms like blue-grey, dull-orange etc.
The impression of a colour compared with a chart depends much on the circumstances of the observation. I never saw such numbers in combination with the Kelvin value of the light source under which they were observed. And every human individual has a different visual sensibility for colours (up to colour blindness).
So, using such colour chart numbers looks very sophisticated but I doubt any body will/can reproduce them.
Best regards
Martin
David Malloch,
16-02-2020 17:57

Re : Colour chart
Dear Zuzana,
Colour charts are a difficult problem. Each one finally becomes out-of-print and thus obsolete. I have started using HSV (Hue, Saturation, Value) colours as these are an intuitive transformation of the RGB system used on computers. This system is universal and numerically based. I made up a chart for my own use and offered it at http://website.nbm-mnb.ca/mycologywebpages/EssaysOnFungi/Collecting_mushrooms_for_scientific_study/Colours.html. Just click on the sample plate to download the whole thing. It is designed for mushrooms and is less discriminating in the green shades used for Penicillium. I use it on my cell phone, which gives very good colour reproduction compared to desktop monitors.
David
Colour charts are a difficult problem. Each one finally becomes out-of-print and thus obsolete. I have started using HSV (Hue, Saturation, Value) colours as these are an intuitive transformation of the RGB system used on computers. This system is universal and numerically based. I made up a chart for my own use and offered it at http://website.nbm-mnb.ca/mycologywebpages/EssaysOnFungi/Collecting_mushrooms_for_scientific_study/Colours.html. Just click on the sample plate to download the whole thing. It is designed for mushrooms and is less discriminating in the green shades used for Penicillium. I use it on my cell phone, which gives very good colour reproduction compared to desktop monitors.
David
Martin Bemmann,
16-02-2020 19:51

Re : Colour chart
Whow David, your plates look very nice, indeed. But it is a controversial topic nevertheless. Talking about calibration of displays only.
Best regards
Martin
David Malloch,
16-02-2020 20:23

Re : Colour chart
Martin, I agree that colour measurements are pretty subjective. However, living organisms themselves are variable in colour and I find some kind of approximation to be better than none, especially when working with dried collections that have lost all their colour. Photographs are also helpful for colour, but also unreliable. I just turned to HSV because it is readily availble and probably as good as what my camera sees. Your work in archaeology probably deals with materials that are less variable in colour than fungi, thus requiring a more precise system.
I've just been reading about archaeology and ancient DNA. Wow, isn't that earthshaking! We need to deal with whole-genome DNA in fungi, but so far that seems to be out of our realm.
David
I've just been reading about archaeology and ancient DNA. Wow, isn't that earthshaking! We need to deal with whole-genome DNA in fungi, but so far that seems to be out of our realm.
David
Martin Bemmann,
16-02-2020 21:15

Re : Colour chart
Did you ever try one of those mobile apps that turns your android into an "color picker" or "colorimeter"?
Best
Martin
David Malloch,
16-02-2020 21:22

Re : Colour chart
I worked with two of them but never liked the results. Perhaps they are too precise and don't give a good average.
Zuzana Sochorová (Egertová),
16-02-2020 21:23

Re : Colour chart
Dear Martin and David,
many thanks for your replies.
Yes, naming colours is subjective, that's why I was thinking about a colour chart as a possibility how to make it a bit more objective.
Well, maybe providing a colourful photographs together with the description can make the same service...?
I didn't try any mobile applications, thanks for suggesting (although I am not sure how well it can work with so little objects like Octospora). Best, Zuzana
many thanks for your replies.
Yes, naming colours is subjective, that's why I was thinking about a colour chart as a possibility how to make it a bit more objective.
Well, maybe providing a colourful photographs together with the description can make the same service...?
I didn't try any mobile applications, thanks for suggesting (although I am not sure how well it can work with so little objects like Octospora). Best, Zuzana