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Helvella 1017
Leandro Sánchez,
31-10-2017 20:09
Sous Fagus sylvatica, terrain sabloneux (photo in situ). jusqu'à 100 mm hauteurCordialement
Luis Ballester,
31-10-2017 23:01
Re : Helvella 1017
Helvella nigra o H. atra
Leandro Sánchez,
31-10-2017 23:34
Re : Helvella 1017
Hola Luis:
H. nigra no la conozco, pero H. atra tiene un aspecto (sobre todo el estípite) muy diferente a esta que presento, o eso creo yo.
Saludos y gracias por tu opinión
H. nigra no la conozco, pero H. atra tiene un aspecto (sobre todo el estípite) muy diferente a esta que presento, o eso creo yo.
Saludos y gracias por tu opinión
Mario Filippa,
31-10-2017 23:36
Re : Helvella 1017
Art. 57.1
Leandro Sánchez,
01-11-2017 09:02
Re : Helvella 1017
Hi Mario:
I don't understaad
Regards
I don't understaad
Regards
Gilbert MOYNE,
01-11-2017 09:51
Re : Helvella 1017
Pourquoi pas tout simplement Helvella sulcata ?
Gilbert
Gilbert
Leandro Sánchez,
01-11-2017 10:20
Re : Helvella 1017
Je pense qu'elle est très grande et très sombre
Merci Gilbert pour ton avis
Amitiés
Merci Gilbert pour ton avis
Amitiés
Viktorie Halasu,
01-11-2017 15:39
Re : Helvella 1017
Dear Mr. Sánchez,
there is quite a difference between H. atra ss. Fries, Holmskjold or Dissing, and H. atra ss. orig., which should be something close to H. lacunosa, with ribbed stipe. The (wrongly?) well-known H. atra is to be called H. fallax now. See the new monography of genus Helvella, link is here: http://ascofrance.fr/search_forum/50484
Viktorie
there is quite a difference between H. atra ss. Fries, Holmskjold or Dissing, and H. atra ss. orig., which should be something close to H. lacunosa, with ribbed stipe. The (wrongly?) well-known H. atra is to be called H. fallax now. See the new monography of genus Helvella, link is here: http://ascofrance.fr/search_forum/50484
Viktorie
Leandro Sánchez,
01-11-2017 20:22
Re : Helvella 1017
Dear Viktorie:
Thank you very much for your opinion, with the keys of the work I approach Helvella alpestris, but without any security.
Regards
Thank you very much for your opinion, with the keys of the work I approach Helvella alpestris, but without any security.
Regards
Lothar Krieglsteiner,
03-11-2017 09:31
Re : Helvella 1017
For me this looks like H. lacunosa.
REgards, Lothar
Leandro Sánchez,
03-11-2017 23:53
Re : Helvella 1017
Thanks Lothar !!!!!!!
Regards
Regards
Mario Filippa,
04-11-2017 21:32
Re : Helvella 1017
Sorry, I have been too cryptical. The "normal" determination of specimens like these was, of course, Helvella lacunosa in a broad meaning.
After the monograph cited above, I am not able anymore to identify any collection like this (and I'm not sure that a monograph should give this effect).
What I'm sure of, is that the name H. atra is NOT to be used for a species in this clade, because it is specifically forbidden by the Code, art. 57.1.
And this topic shows perfectly why 57.1 was written: to avoid confusion.
Regards
Mario
After the monograph cited above, I am not able anymore to identify any collection like this (and I'm not sure that a monograph should give this effect).
What I'm sure of, is that the name H. atra is NOT to be used for a species in this clade, because it is specifically forbidden by the Code, art. 57.1.
And this topic shows perfectly why 57.1 was written: to avoid confusion.
Regards
Mario
Leandro Sánchez,
04-11-2017 23:47
Re : Helvella 1017
Thank you very much Mario !!!!!!!!