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Peziza gr apiculata 111115 27
Miguel Ángel Ribes,
09-12-2015 21:16
Good nightI have this small (< 6mm diam.) Peziza, without stipe, growing in a slope of a path, inside a "Botanical Garden" in Portugal. I have a previous collection of P. apiculata but I think this one does not fit.
Spores measurement (without "apicula"): (19.2) 20.0 - 22.8 (24.1) x (8.0) 8.4 - 9.6 (10.2) µm; Q = (2.1) 2.2 - 2.5 (2.8) ; N = 77; Me = 21.3 x 9.1 µm ; Qe = 2.4
Asci with croziers, truncate apex and amyloid in all the surface.
Thank you in advance.
Miguel Á. Ribes
Nicolas VAN VOOREN,
13-12-2015 20:43
Re : Peziza gr apiculata 111115 27
No objection to name this collection P. apiculata. Beautiful pictures as usual ;-)
Miguel Ángel Ribes,
13-12-2015 22:08
Re : Peziza gr apiculata 111115 27
Thank you Nico
What a variable species!!!! I had this another collection like P. apiculata (11/07/2014), with differente spores, ornamentation and apicules; and this spores measures (including apicules):
(22.4) 23.7 - 27.3 (28.9) x (7.8) 8.8 - 10.6 (12.2) µm
Q = (2.1) 2.4 - 2.9 (3.2) ; N = 85
Me = 25.3 x 9.7 µm ; Qe = 2.6
All spores of this collection of 2014 had very regular apicules shape and size. But actual collection 2015 has very irregular apicules shape and size.
Is there any clear character to separate P. apiculata from obtusapiculata, polarispinosa, vagneri, thozetii ...?
Thanks again.
What a variable species!!!! I had this another collection like P. apiculata (11/07/2014), with differente spores, ornamentation and apicules; and this spores measures (including apicules):
(22.4) 23.7 - 27.3 (28.9) x (7.8) 8.8 - 10.6 (12.2) µm
Q = (2.1) 2.4 - 2.9 (3.2) ; N = 85
Me = 25.3 x 9.7 µm ; Qe = 2.6
All spores of this collection of 2014 had very regular apicules shape and size. But actual collection 2015 has very irregular apicules shape and size.
Is there any clear character to separate P. apiculata from obtusapiculata, polarispinosa, vagneri, thozetii ...?
Thanks again.
Andreas Gminder,
14-12-2015 22:10
Re : Peziza gr apiculata 111115 27
Hola Miquel,
what you show in your picture is P. obtusapiculata.
best regards,
Andreas
Miguel Ángel Ribes,
15-12-2015 00:37
Re : Peziza gr apiculata 111115 27
Hi Andreas
You are talking about the second one, aren't you? So, first one is P. apiculata, second one is P. obtusapiculata.
Any actual paper about this group?
Danke.
You are talking about the second one, aren't you? So, first one is P. apiculata, second one is P. obtusapiculata.
Any actual paper about this group?
Danke.
Nicolas VAN VOOREN,
15-12-2015 19:01
Re : Peziza gr apiculata 111115 27
Yes, Andreas is right. Your second collection is P. obtusapiculata. In my opinion, greenish tinges are always present on specimens of the latter, especially in young specimens.
Miguel Ángel Ribes,
15-12-2015 20:00
Re : Peziza gr apiculata 111115 27
Thanks a lot Andreas and Nico.
Ueli Graf,
20-12-2015 18:49
Re : Peziza gr apiculata 111115 27
Hallo Andreas,
hast du von P. vagneri auch so eine Sporenzeichnung?
Gruss
Ueli
hast du von P. vagneri auch so eine Sporenzeichnung?
Gruss
Ueli
Andreas Gminder,
20-12-2015 18:51
Re : Peziza gr apiculata 111115 27
Hallo Ueli,
nee, tut mir leid, P. wagneri kenne ich leider nicht, auch die anderen apiculaten Arten nicht.
beste Grüße
Andreas
Ueli Graf,
20-12-2015 19:06
Re : Peziza gr apiculata 111115 27
Besten Dank Andreas