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Peziza sp?
William Slosse, 18-03-2017 21:16
William Slossethis species grows on decaying stumps of Abele in my wild garden.
At first I thought Tarzetta sp but the species here grows on wood.
Short stipe to almost sessile.
Fruiting bodies >40mm
Odour: strongly mushroom.
Spores: 14.71x8.32mu with one oildrop
Ascitops colouring bleu in Meltzer
Any idea?
Sincerely,
William
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Peter Püwert, 18-03-2017 21:33
Peter Püwert
Re : Peziza sp?
Hi William,
the asci from Tarzetta are not amyloid. In my opinion this is a species from the Peziza varia-group ("micropus") ?
Greetings Peter.
William Slosse, 18-03-2017 22:15
William Slosse
Re : Peziza sp?
Thx for your feedback, Peter.
I have looked on it with the provisional key of B. Declercq and it looks indeed as a P.varia (syn. micropus).
Greetings,
William
Viktorie Halasu, 19-03-2017 07:47
Viktorie Halasu
Re : Peziza sp?
Hello William,
the spores are actually eguttulate (it's a nucleus) and they also have a sheath (on the 7.photo). I had something from P. varia group with smooth spores and gel sheaths as well (bigger spores, though) and got some interesting comments here: http://ascofrance.fr/search_forum/43195
As for determination, I'm sorry I can't say more. 
Viktorie 
Jason Karakehian, 19-03-2017 15:00
Jason Karakehian
Re : Peziza sp?
Hi Viktorie, I have a question for you about determining fungal nuclei from guttules. It seems to me that in the nice images of ascospores that William has provided you can see the nucleolus in the nucleus? Is there a fast staining method for determining fungal nuclei when the nuclear structures are not as large (or as clear) as those pictured here? I have tried both toluidine blue and IKI but found the results unsatisfying in the few instances that I have tried. Thank you! - Jason
Viktorie Halasu, 19-03-2017 16:18
Viktorie Halasu
Re : Peziza sp?
Hello Jason,
I'll attempt to answer, although with my rather short experience with microscopy I feel about the last person to ask.

Lipid guttules are more visible than nuclei, more clearly demarcated (at least in living spores), while nuclei look more like an "empty space". I didn't try yet any stains for LBs. As for stains for spore nuclei: In living material they are well enough visible in water. Sometimes I try acetocarmine - nuclei become dull carmine red, against orange colored rest of spore contents. Mr. Dougoud described the proper method as follows:
"L'observation des noyaux n'est pas très facile, il faut laisser agir le carmin acétique durant quelques minutes, puis dissocier le prélèvement par percussion sur le couvre objet, ajouter encore une goutte de carmin au bord de la lamelle, attendre encore un peu, retirer l'excédant de liquide et observer."
Some genera (e.g. Arpinia) are not carminophilous. I have almost no experience with staining nuclei in paraphyses, cannot distinguish them from other structures.


Giemsa solution can be used as well, T. Schumacher used it in his monographs of Scutellinia and Myriosclerotinia (with L.Kohn), staining method is described in the latter (Can. J. Bot. 63: 1610-1640). Never tried myself, here it's more problematic to obtain the solution when one doesn't work in a lab.


I tried CRB too, here's the result with Jafnea semitosta, but it stained only submature spores. Nucleus is blue, lipid bodies dirty yellowish, rest of cytoplasm violet. The other photo is of Tarzetta catinus - when a little of KOH is added to the CRB, spore cytoplasm discolors to dirty red, but the nucleus stays bluish for a while. Many operculates have thickwalled spores so that only submature spores can be stained. I suppose the stains might be more useful for inoperculates, where the variation of number of nuclei is perhaps bigger - it helped me to distinguish Dumontinia tuberosa (4 nuclei).


Hope it helped a bit.
Viktorie

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Jason Karakehian, 19-03-2017 20:00
Jason Karakehian
Re : Peziza sp?
Viktorie, this is very helpful.  Thank you very much! I always wondered if the "blank zones" in some of the spores I have been seeing are nuclei and your comment about this is helpful.  I will try some of the techniques you have listed. I actually have the Schumacher Myriosclerotinia paper on hand as I write.  Thank you again! Best - Jason
Viktorie Halasu, 19-03-2017 20:44
Viktorie Halasu
Re : Peziza sp?
And of course I forgot to write - the same and much more informations you can find in Zotto's article about vital taxonomy, online here: http://www.cybertruffle.org.uk/cyberliber/59575/0044/002/0333.htm
(I took the liberty to download the scans from cybertruffle and convert it into double-sided pdf: http://tmp1.vize.name/myko/Vital_taxonomy.pdf )
Jason Karakehian, 19-03-2017 20:57
Jason Karakehian
Re : Peziza sp?
Thank you!